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To All you crying babies over the price.

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Hey hey Se7en here love me or hate me i don't have to be as "PC" as the Vive guys.

So Guy and Girls go grab yourself a box of tissues some Extra Salty chips and start to read this. 

The Pro is currently not for the average home consumer, Lets make it even Clearer. Every singe person that has said boo hoo im not going to be buying that. GOOD. Its not for you. 

The Pro is aimed more for Arcades, Business, Development, Education, Not for a gamer or someone who wants a few extra pixels to be able to watch VR porn. 
This is NOT the Vive 2.0 or even the Full Pro Kit  that will come either Later this year, next year or the year after.

Enjoy what you have if you already own the Vive. If you don't go out and buy it they just reduced the price.
Its still early days in the world of VR things take time to be developed and hardware needs to time to catch up.

Take a good hard look at yourself and read back your childish outbursts is it really the end of the world for you, don't you have other things to worry about more than a cost of a hmd. 
Screaming and shouting about it. You think it will make a difference?
Accept that you cant afford it or your not going to pay the asking price or you are going to have to wait a little longer for the full version to be released. 

For the Vive mods you guys must be having a hard time at the moment dealing with these kiddies. Im sure your Job description didn't mention babysitting and the abuse that you get.
Keep up the good work it wont be long before something new and shiny comes along to take move their focus to.





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Shut up you idiot. I could argue 10 different reasons why $799.00 for the headset alone is ridiculous but I bet you can't count that high anyway so I won't bother.

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What the heck I'm bored so here goes:

 

1 - If the HTC Vive Pro is meant for commercial use why is there no warranty for commercial use?

2 - Lack of on-board wireless for more than twice the price of the Vive 1.0 is pitiful despite this being the number 1 request current Vive owners have asked for.

3 - Controllers are finicky by all reports and break easily. Vive 2.0 should have Valve’s Knuckles controllers included since the current controllers leave a lot to be desired.

3 – Release price is so high that it is a slap in the face to the current customer base who just need the headset to upgrade. Who will buy the old headset from them with no base stations or controllers?

4 - Lack of included base stations and controllers makes the Vive 2.0 alone useless so new customers will not buy it.  This comes across as a shamefull money grab for cash from Vive 1.0 owners.

5 - Pricing out consumers who would get into VR and grow the market is bad business and will lessen interest all around including from software developers who won’t take the market seriously enough.

6 - Hyping a product to the consumer market as HTC has done with the Vive Pro and then pricing it out of reach and claiming it is not for them anyway is marketing suicide and will cause mass rage.

7 - Why should anyone buy from HTC at all when from all accounts their customer support is atrocious.

8 - Software support for games ported to VR is weak due to the small base and pricing hardware out of the reach of the masses to grow the base will result in stagnant games development and compatibility.

9 - Other current headsets reportedly use the same screens and tech but sell for half the price.

10 - The screen door effect is still present and field of view is not any wider leaving the only real benefit apparently being slightly better resolution and built in audio for a huge mark up in price.

 

Can anyone else think of anything Forbes & I may have missed?

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Ok smart guy how am I crying when I am simply stating facts? The fact is that I would like to get into VR, I have a great PC with a GTX 1080 Ti that would crush it. Those are expensive items and you know why? They are worth it. Two OLED screens and a set of headphones in a plastic shell strapped to your face are not worth what you are asking so I will hold my cash until a true high-def VR experience is available for a semi-reasonable price.

 

Your Vive 1.0 was not ready for mass market so I like many others did not buy. Way too many limitations and too low resolution. Simply not ready for prime-time. The Vive Pro MAY be ready for mass market appeal but you just priced it out of reach so many people like me will simply go without until it is worth what you're asking for it. Who is going to buy the Vive 1.0 now that it is obsolete? We will all just wait for you to come to your senses and drop the price, or your competiton provides a better solution at a price that is not retarded. 

 

 

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I see your points, and I have to say... I agree on a lot of them. As a vive owner I was really disappointed at that price as well. But you have to see outside your subjective point of view (as consumer) to be objective. Now first of all I think that what hurts the most is not the price itself, but the fact that releasing the Vive pro on it's own, doesn't give us the opportunity to resell our first gen system as a bundle (which makes it pretty much unsellable or not worthy). Now imagine if they would release the whole bundle now, for let's say 1000 or 1100 $, and you were able to sell your existing one for 300 - 350$, now it wouldn't look so expensive. Sure, you might say "well that's pretty expensive too, considering for example what Pimax is going to offer for less or around the same price, or WMR S Odyssey, but let's face it, no one`s sure, when or if Pimax are going to deliver what their claiming , and the latter with it's inside-out tracking is not yet a tracking competition to the lighthouse. So from their prespective by the time the competition release their better HMD's, Vive pro will be the king of PC VR HMD overall (tracking, OFFICIAL wireless solution). You already know that unlike HTC's main PC VR competitor in gen 1 (FB's OR), is investing a tons of money in software, so they managed to keep low prices on their hardware, while HTC's profit comes  from the hardware. So I'm also pretty upset with the price  announcement, but I don't see any point posting angry comments. No one force us to buy anything... it's all business after all. One of the things I don't understand, is to why they didn't release the full package with lighthouses 2.0 and Vive wands 2.0 ? I guess they are nowhere near ready for consumers, otherwise that would be the culprit. See that's the big mistake Oculus did ... They didn't released the HMD with touch controllers and full room-scale set up at day 1. Sure they catch up and their surpassed the Vive on the latest steam survey, but  things could have looked different. I'm a fan of technology rather than brand. I want the best experience I can afford, so there's no reason for hatred here, you see different companies with the different approaches according to their finances. 

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Thank you KingRangnar for your obviously well thought out response. I am going to make this very simple for you as a favor in return. I have $1,000.00 that I would be willing to spend on a truly first rate VR experience (in addition to the other hardware requirements to run said experience ie., PC & GPU). 

 

I will pay that $1,000.00 for a Vive Pro that comes with the controllers and the base stations and wireless and I think that is more than fair to pay for those items. I will not pay more. If you say you do not care, what if there are 1 million more people like me? How the heck can you say that you do not want $1,000.00 x 1,000,000 customers = $1 billion dollars? 

 

Do you not have any market researchers employed? Did no one ask anyone what they would pay for Vive Pro with no accesessories at $799.00? Did you not see people freak out? If you did not then you need to fire your entire Marketing team because you have just lost a 1 billion dolllars of potential sales minus cost of manufacture. Even after costs I would still bet that is a huge profit you have just lost out on with your current marketing strategy of overpricing the Pro and pissing off your loyal base as well as potential costomers who will now refuse to buy your products at this price or ever.

 

Maybe a billion dollars is not enough money to you to be taken seriously. I would argue otherwise. Volume of sales would pay for reduced profit per unit and benefit the entire VR industry from hardware to software and accessories. I could see if your production was limited by say the current DRAM shortage or GPU shortage but it is not. You have only yourselves to blame for not pricing to meet demand with suppy at volume. In essence, you are losing out on TONS of money and slowing adoptation of the entire VR industry...

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Thank you KingRangnar for your obviously well thought out response. I am going to make this very simple for you as a favor in return. I have $1,000.00 that I would be willing to spend on a truly first rate VR experience (in addition to the other hardware requirements to run said experience ie., PC & GPU). 

 

I will pay that $1,000.00 for a Vive Pro that comes with the controllers and the base stations and wireless and I think that is more than fair to pay for that package. I will not pay more. If you say you do not care, what if there are 1 million more people like me? How the heck can HTC say that they do not want $1,000.00 x 1,000,000 customers = 1 billion dollars? 

 

Does HTC not have any market researchers employed? Did no one ask any potential consumers what they would pay for a Vive Pro with no accessories and watch their reaction when they were told it would be  $799.00 for the headset alone? Did they not see people freak out? If they did not then HTC needs to fire or retrain their entire Marketing team because everyone is freaking out and they have just lost out on at least 1 billion dolllars of potential sales by those metrics alone. Even after manufacturing costs I would still bet that is a HUGE profit they have just lost out on with their current marketing strategy of overpricing the Pro and pissing off their entire loyal base (minus a few geeky multi-millionaires who will pay anything to escape reality, which if you were a multi-millionaire why you would want to escape that reality is beyond me) as well as millions of potentially eager customers who will now refuse to buy HTC products now or ever due to these shenanigans.

 

Maybe a billion dollars is not enough money to be taken seriously. I would argue otherwise. Volume of sales would pay for reduced profit per unit and benefit the entire VR industry from hardware to software and accessories. I could see if their production was limited by say the current DRAM shortage or GPU shortage but it is not. They have only themselves to blame for not pricing to meet demand with supply at volume. To summarize in simple terms, HTC is losing out on TONS of money and slowing adaptation/progress of the entire VR industry. I eagerly await some sort of coherent response from somebody at HTC, not just some random fanboy.

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Ok smart guy how am I crying when I am simply stating facts? The fact is that I would like to get into VR, I have a great PC with a GTX 1080 Ti that would crush it. Those are expensive items and you know why? They are worth it. Two OLED screens and a set of headphones in a plastic shell strapped to your face are not worth what you are asking so I will hold my cash until a true high-def VR experience is available for a semi-reasonable price.

Good Enjoy the wait. Join us in Vr in 5+ years if your lucky. By then you will maybe need to upgrade your pc as well. 

 

Your Vive 1.0 was not ready for mass market so I like many others did not buy. Way too many limitations and too low resolution. Simply not ready for prime-time. The Vive Pro
MAY
be ready for mass market appeal but you just priced it out of reach so many people like me will simply go without until it is worth what you're asking for it. Who is going to buy the Vive 1.0 now that it is obsolete? We will all just wait for you to come to your senses and drop the price, or your competiton provides a better solution at a price that is not retarded. 

The Vive 1.0 is not obsolete as the Pro is not its Replacment. I really dont think you understand that point.  

But as you sit there all bitter and sour over the price holding onto your $$$ I will be enjoying my Vive and my Rift. :mantongue:

 

 

 

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